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November 20, 2008 6:50 AM PST

Has everything audio that can be invented been invented?

Posted by Steve Guttenberg
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"Everything that can be invented has been invented."
--Charles H. Duell, Commissioner, U.S. patent office, 1899.

This infamous quote has been bandied about forever, but let's try to apply it to our times. Sure, the old commissioner was off by a bunch of decades, but what's left to be invented in audio and video now?

Yes, there will be higher than high-definition video, HDMI 1.4, and speakers that sound like real life, but those are refinements of already existing technologies.

(Credit: Steve Guttenberg)

Perhaps we've hit an impasse and we're not going to see any really new products for a few decades. What will a 2012 Blu-ray player do that a 2008 player cannot? Oh right, there may not be any Blu-ray players by 2012, there may a new format by then. But what will it do that a 2008 Blu-ray player cannot?

How about an iPod small enough to be injected into your bloodstream? You would just think about a song or movie, and it would play back in your head.

Who knows, maybe by 2012 there will be wireless speakers that don't have any wires. But it might take until 2022 before someone figures out how to make totally wireless speakers that actually sound good.

Maybe the best we can hope for are products that are easy to use--ones that don't come with thick user manuals; they just work. Products so intuitively designed they don't need explanation.

What do you want that doesn't exist now?

Something bigger or smaller than what you have now?

Give us an idea for a totally new audio or video product.

Or if you agree that there's nothing left to invent, by what year were we done?

Steve Guttenberg is a frequent contributor to magazines and Web sites including Home Entertainment, Playback, and Ultimate AV. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network, and is not an employee of CNET. Disclosure.
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by wjsteele November 20, 2008 7:17 AM PST
There are new inventions every day. As long as there are problems to solve, there will be inventions to fill that void. I have one that I am currently going to production with in January, it's a new type of head up display for small aircraft. It utilizes lasers to track the propeller and so it can draw the head up display on the prop as it is spinning past. The image appears to float out in front of the plane, which allows the pilot to keep their eyes outside the plane but still have the situational awareness they need to aviate correctly and accurately. Granted, it HAS been invented, but there are other ideas that my company is working on that we haven't disclosed which are just as "revolutionary" as the VirtualHUD. We're not alone, each industry, including the audio/video industry has problems that need to be solved. For example, where is that display that floats without the need for a projection surface. People are getting close to it with water vapor, or ionized laser beams, etc, but it's not hear yet.

-Bill
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by G_Slade November 20, 2008 3:01 PM PST
i dont mean to poo-poo your idea but that will only work for single engine prop aircraft when the pilot is looking forward.
the apache helicopter pilot has a HUD eyepiece that clips onto his helmet, so wherever he looks he will see his HUD. and how long has the apache been around for? ages. and anyway aircraft HUDs are nothing to do with high end audio & video anyway!
back to the topic, personally i think eventually we wont have to worry about storing our own music collections, because every album in the world will be stored in the 'cloud' for us to stream at our will wirelessly to personal devices (perhaps implants) but then someone will work out how to hack into these implants, and through hipnosis, assemble the largest army the world has ever seen! maybee its already happened?
by wjsteele November 22, 2008 6:39 PM PST
@G_Slade, I don't think you're poo-pooing anything, we know very well who our target market is and that is the single-engined small aircraft. The Apache HUD eyepiece device is a very sophisticated piece of equipment that is highly intgrated into that aircraft. The VirtualHUD is a hand held portable device that can be placed in any aircraft as long as it has sight of a propeller in front of the pilot. Unlike the Apache, in small aircraft, the plane is always flying in the direction of the propeller... which makes the looking around thing rather moot. Our device is also significantly less expensive than the device (which incidently is made by a company called MicroVision, who does some fantastic work in the micro projector arena) for the Apache. Their eyepiece alone costs twice what our entire unit costs and that doesn't include any of the aircraft systems to support it, which ours doesn't need. (Trust me, we've extensively researched all the alternatives and the market research says this is a device that is sorely needed.) And, btw, we are dealing with A/V equipment... it is a very high resolution video projection system when you think of it. We can take a standard RS-170 video stream and project it right on the prop. You should see "Top Gun" this way... it really brings it to life! ;-)
by jefflac November 20, 2008 7:40 AM PST
This is quite simply the most ridiculous, non-post-worthy thing I have ever read.
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by cmstratton November 20, 2008 8:22 AM PST
Steve is trying to start a conversation to see what ideas people have. If you consider that ridiculous, then you probably shouldn't be participating in any social networks or using any collaborative technology. Ever heard of group think?

Steve - way to get everyone thinking!
by danjessberger November 20, 2008 10:04 AM PST
jefflac, I agree.
by evejam-co-uk November 20, 2008 7:40 AM PST
Perfect 3D video and sound combined with smell'o'vision.

I predict this will occur 2nd April 2017 at 3:22pm Greenwich Mean Time
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by alegr November 20, 2008 1:44 PM PST
Dunno about smellovision, but 3D home video is perfectly possible with current LCD TV technology. Add LCD shutter goggles, and you're good to go. The problem is just in standardising and productising the solution, and with contents.
by loyal2him November 20, 2008 7:47 AM PST
"Who knows, maybe by 2012 there will be wireless speakers that don't have any wires..."

wow - absolutely brilliant! wireless speakers without any wires!
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by plasticities November 20, 2008 8:43 AM PST
If you click the link, it shows speakers advertised as wireless that do actually have wires. It was a joke you see.
by damone5000 November 20, 2008 7:52 AM PST
Hey jefflac, notice the disclaimer saying S.G. isn't an employee of Cnet? That means its for free, its a discussion piece. Don't read it if you don't like it.
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by neutrality_is_bliss November 20, 2008 7:53 AM PST
We don't know everything about the world we live in, and we can't take advantage of any areas of science we have no knowledge in.
Since we still have the capacity to learn more about our world, there are still inventions to be invented.
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by epross November 20, 2008 8:16 AM PST
Holographic memory so we can have almost unlimited and totally portable storage in the form factor of say the size of a domino or Lego block. We could store every movie and song ever recorded on a pea size wafer and it would be totally portable in loss-less format, high-definition, and beyond.

Plus I'd really like someone to use this technology to build a computer that can sing "Daisy, Daisy..." we're already off target by a few years on that one....

What about components that actually talk to one another completely regardless of make, model, or brand?
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by alegr November 20, 2008 1:47 PM PST
How about that thing that can sing "Mary had a little lamb" back at you? Will it ever be possible?
by allen b--2008 November 20, 2008 8:21 AM PST
Some of you seem to be missing the point. The question isn't what hasn't been invented yet, the question is have we gone as far as we are going to go in AUDIO/VISUAL world. We currently have picture quality that rivals what the human eye can see, and sound as clear as if it were happining in your own home. Although there are still a few refinements to these to make them better, is there really anything else that can be invented in those aspects.

I think evejam is on the right track. Definitely good (maybe even corporeal 3-D, and I would love to see taste-o-vision. I love food, and there are so many recipes out there, that to be able to taste them before dropping the time and money to make them would be great....
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by alegr November 20, 2008 1:49 PM PST
If you think this will be used for food simulation, you're mistaken...
by Grumpypaul November 20, 2008 8:24 AM PST
I read somewhere that back in the middle of the 20th century the US patent office was going to shut down because someone felt that everything that could be invented was already here. IIRC the quantity of patents issued from that point forward was 4-6 times greater than the number that had already been issued, and the timeframe was shorter.

As for what I want to see invented? How about a human mind that no longer carries hate? Maybe a little yellow pill taken once a year on your birthday?
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by alegr November 20, 2008 1:51 PM PST
"How about a human mind that no longer carries hate? Maybe a little yellow pill taken once a year on your birthday?"

I'm afraid hate and love come together...
by inachu November 20, 2008 8:28 AM PST
I am working on building a set of speakers that are silent when you put your ears against them but get louder as you move away from them.
Yep this is my copyright....... No.... no sensors will be used to guage your distance from the speaker.
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by juansuero November 20, 2008 8:36 AM PST
Theres that new thing with controlling the mouse with your thought. If you can more a mouse or a prostetic leg then i should also be able to move the dial on my ipod without having to touch it. or turn on the lights.. or change the lighting to match my mood or if they ever figure out how to go into the brain as opposed to just out from the brain... you could have some super fidelity ear phones that plug right into the neurons that handle sound reception in your brain.. then theyll have to record music on more channels? cause maybe the brain hears on more channels than the low tech ear can bring in? people would then invent recording equipment to produce sound on those channels then theyd need to invent a super fidelity voice box that takes the signals straight from your neurons that handle voice communication and produce the crazyiest syphony you ever heard/thought
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by OStrolphant November 24, 2008 7:43 AM PST
It would be cool to hear inside your head, better for traveling on a bus/listening in public. Stereo/Surround sound use tricks and illusions to fake direction and sound stage presence. It would be cool to figure out what those tricks are in your mind, especially since tone, volume, beat etc (all the components of sound) are independent quantities in your brain.

I wonder if sound does play in your head, if you reap the benefits too? like if you are on the bus, no one else would have to listen to some guy's music, but does that guy still hear everyone around him just as normal and his music is just over laid on top of ambient sound? or is ambient drowned out by the sounds in his head?
by smitty2324 November 20, 2008 9:02 AM PST
I'm totally waiting for "speakers" that don't require ears. A major limitation of sound/music technology is the requirement to be able to hear and the speakers ability to replicate sound across the full spectrum of human hearing. Imagine a product that would fire all of the neurons that would be fired if you were listening to music without the need to actually hear that music with your ears. You wouldn't have to worry about the range of your speakers or the listeners ability to hear .
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by Grumpypaul November 20, 2008 9:31 AM PST
A year or so back there was a billboard in NYC (forgot the product) that used some sort of vibrations to cause you to "hear" the advert as you walked by the billboard. No sound was actually transmitted and if you were across the street you heard nothing but as you approached the building the music.advertising began, and as you walked away, it silenced itself. Something about waves that actually caused the ears to pick up the vibrations. It was shut down after a month or so as I recall.
by Thomas, David November 20, 2008 11:12 AM PST
Actually, "sound" is transmitted by "vibration", to put it in basic terms. You're not going to get sound any other way.
by smitty2324 November 21, 2008 1:36 PM PST
Sound is picked up by your ears through vibration, but the brain processes it through electrical signals. Applying the correct type of electrical signals to the brain could trick you into "hearing" music without there actually being any.
by OStrolphant November 24, 2008 7:46 AM PST
yeah that billboard just used regular sound. It just happened to be HIGHLY directional. it was neat and technically not noise pollution, but still used vibrations.
by patddymac November 20, 2008 9:19 AM PST
SorroundSmell and Telatransporting
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by wango2007 November 20, 2008 9:28 AM PST
It seems Guttenberg had a picture of a lightbulb laying around and needed an article to wrap around it.

That's okay, I suppose, but he used too many words. He could have made the picture smaller and only used 10 words to convey his brilliant thinking on this topic.
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by clayhorste November 20, 2008 9:39 AM PST
I would like to see an increase in quality. The push for the last decade or so has been to convenience. This is fine, but when I listen to music on my low to midrange AV system I can tell the difference between the MP3s that I have and the HD sound coming from CSI over my antennas. I know that there are SACD and AudioDVDs that virtually no-one cares about, but it would be nice if we could download music that is high bitrate, high sample rate, multiple channel etc to our set-top box of choice. Joggers wearing iPods can't tell the difference, but sitting in front of my sound system that I spent a lot of time and money on, I can certainly tell the difference. I don't want to go back to analog sources, but I think that it is time to get back some of the high quality instead of just high convenience.
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by dadsgravy November 20, 2008 10:45 AM PST
For video, Holographic Porn. Not that wavy see through junk in star wars, but solid looking meat.
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by Thomas, David November 20, 2008 11:09 AM PST
Simply, and quite frankly NO, Negative, NAK ...

We have yet to see amorphous crystals being used for storage. That alone would revolutionize the audio/video industry alone. Not to mention it's impact on us globally.
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by cyberDJ-2038765336053745013836 November 20, 2008 11:18 AM PST
How about:
1. All hand-held and mobile audio devices using the iPod docking standard and protocol.
2. A single, standard cable that connects all audio components; including speakers.
3. Audio components with ethernet connectivity.
4. A high-rez [24-bit/96kHz] audio file capable of delivering 5.1 audio that is down loadable.
5. Dolby Headphone (or equivalent) for MP-3 players.
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by Vailhem November 20, 2008 4:42 PM PST
The fact that you even wrote an article arguing for this is even more ridiculous than the path which you chose to make such an argument.

Single example, though an over simplification of what you're saying, it follows on the same logic, thus perfectly proving my point:

A caveperson feels like they have something stuck in their ass (could it be your head?) so they stick a stick up there to see what it is (prob by dislodging it and bringing out). Today, we could swallow a camera pill or use some sort of camera on a controlled arm to do the same thing. New invention? By your logic? not at all. It essentially does the exact same thing.

But, let me ask you how you would rather have your head dislodged from your ass; by having it hooked with a stick and pulled out? Or removed by some laxitive brought on by some invention of modern medicine?
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by jscott418 November 20, 2008 7:16 PM PST
The trouble is audio has taken a back seat to video lately. Has anyone seen some of the crap they call hi fidelity lately? Sure, their is some really good stuff out there yet. But not as much as their used to be.
Why plug digital audio into a amplifier that cannot produce frequencies down to 80hz? Don't even get me started about speakers. New technology has just given us more technology crammed into a piece of hardware that only works OK at doing some things. Yes, we have managed to do more with less. But at what costs. I for one have gone back to analog audio and am happy to have done it. Some things are better left alone.
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Ex movie theater projectionist Steve Guttenberg has more or less successfully hitched his future to home theater, but he still pines for the clickity-clack of 35 MM projectors and all the stale popcorn he could eat. Between projectionist gigs he worked as a high-end audio salesman for sixteen years, and produced records for an audiophile label. Oh, and one more thing, nothing annoys Steve more than being confused with the other Steve Guttenberg, the washed-up Police Academy actor. The wordsmith Guttenberg is a frequent contributor to a number of magazines and websites including Home Entertainment, Playback, and Ultimate AV. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network and is not an employee of CNET. Disclosure.

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